I will shut up in the schizophrenia stuff now
You do not get to pick and choose who you get to listen to. If someone is telling you that you are wrong you need to analyze why they may be saying that.
People who tell me to kill myself should not expect me to listen to them
I have not seen them do that, and that does not really take away from what they were saying but ok
Oh my god y’all are so full of shit
Literally all I have said is “listen to the experiences of people who actually expirience ‘x’ mental illness because you don’t have the right to tell them what they are going through isn’t real’
If I’m so full of shit just fucking block me. OR come back at me with proof via screenshots or something of them doing said thing. Like, it’s not that hard.
If you were in the right I doubt you would be so defensive.
Literally just go on the shit head’s blog they admit they wanted me dead like 15 seconds ago
because you spew pedophile rhetoric and spoke over me, a schizo
Teaching sex ed isn’t pedophillia and stop telling me to kill myself you shitbag
teaching sex ed to children under like, 15 is pedophile rhetoric it’s how children get groomed
No it is not teaching kids what sexual abuse is and how to report it does not make kids get raped
I was taught sex ed in the fourth grade, how is that pedophilia what… @halemmerichdiscourse
Legit it’s telling children what to look for in dangerous individuals, how is that “grooming”
Also if someone is literally wishing death upon you, you can pick and choose who to listen to. Even if you can make a valid point, respect is still a two way street.
sex ed isn’t taught in the fourth grade what the fuck and sex ed isn’t the same as teaching kids stranger danger and bad touch areas fatfae is arguing to teach literal children about sex and detailed abuse. and putting the wait on children to report their abuse when it’s fucking terrifying.
and myself and C told fatfae to kill themself because they’re spewing pedophile rhetoric and speaking over us on schizophrenia fck off with that two wait street nonsense
Sex ed is in fact taught in 4th grade in a lot of schools because that is the age post kids especially afab kids start puberty
And you’re a piece of trash for telling anyone to kill themself
Hi just wanting to add in that I’m afab and didn’t start puberty until 11-12 and we weren’t taught sex Ed in 4th grade, not even in 5th grade (all we learned about was puberty, that’s it) and I didn’t know anything until middle to late middle school so.. I dunno just don’t assume what was the norm for you or around your area was the norm for everyone
It depends on where you are from and 4th grade is ages 10-11 usually. I’m from Texas and we got sex ed in 8th grade but different school districts do it at different times
4th graders are 9????? They shouldn’t be learning about sex ed at that age ????? Wtf ?????
If kids are old enough to be getting their periods they should be taught what is going on
Most kids don’t start their period when they’re 9 what are you talking about they mostly get them by middle school and even then sex ed should be kept BASIC
If it happens for some kids why not teach all of them instead of making the kids who develop early feel like freaks
if it’s happening at a young age it’s usually due to abuse and you don’t need to fuck up an entire class of fucking 9 year olds. that particular 9 year old should be talked to separately because abuse is a sensitive subject.
Why? What’s gonna happen if you tell a 9 year old what a period is? Will their brain explode? Will they die immediately? Or will they just be kinda grossed out?
Sorry to barge in, I know this thread is kinda long too, but buddy. I got me period at 9. We had sex ed in 5th grade like? It’s not the end of the world that kids know what’s happening to their bodies? I developed breasts at age 7 and I was terrified because no one told me so I thought I was gonna die. And what is this bull about afab kids getting periods early linked with abuse? I wasn’t abused and I got mine early wtf are you talking about
Yes, I agree with you! Kids should know about their bodies when the time is right. Fifth grade sounds like a good time to learn more about these things. I just don’t think that kids should be plunged into it at say… The age of five
We were 10. Kids should be taught about that consent in first grade and taught about abuse, in all its forms, in about 2nd grade as well as puberty cause no one told me that I could develop breasts and it fucking hurts. Let kids know what’s happening to their bodies in 2nd grade so they’re not terrified when they start puberty
Exactly! Just don’t plunge them into the complete list of everything there is to know about everything related to sex when they’re in kindergarten
“if it’s happening at a young age it’s usually due to abuse”
uh, if you think puberty happens because of abuse, you need sex ed. IIRC, earlier puberty over the past 100 years has been linked to improved diet, the average starting age nowadays being around 9 or 10 (precocious puberty under the age of 7 is usually due to hormone imbalance, which again, isn’t because of abuse)
Sex education isn’t just about ‘penetration’ – it’s about how sex works and where babies come from, body safety + consent, development into a teenager and puberty and so on.
Anyway we had puberty talk in primary 5 (I think that’s the norm in the UK) and most of us in the class had already started puberty by that time anyway. (10-11) Most kids know where babies come from before puberty.
Also, age-appropriate sex and body safety + consent education for children (in addition to properly educating parents and caregivers) is proven to curb CSA. Obviously sex ed by itself isn’t enough to prevent CSA, as adults we also have a duty to recognize the signs of abuse and minimize risk to children from potential predators, but when we don’t shame children for talking openly about themselves, they’re more likely to disclose abuse rather than being too scared or disgusted with themselves to say anything.
I am so so in favor of telling kids about what sex is as early as possible, and I do mean ‘from the moment they can talk’ because
– it helps them recognize and name sexual experiences, which helps them get help if abuse happens.
– it avoids the possibility that their first experiences learning about sex will be horrible content online, which kids have access to at a young age.
– it makes talking about this topic feel normal and shamefree long before society has had a chance to teach teens that sex is shameful. This increases the chance that they will grow up with a shamefree relationship to their bodies, desires and boundaries.Talking about sex at all ages makes kids so much safer. Shame and not knowing what is happening enables sexual abuse. That’s just a fact.
The whole ‘but that’s how kids get groomed’ argument is upside down. If you deny kids access to good information obviously someone can take advantage of that and provide a twisted version of the information on their own terms. Early sex ed takes away that opportunity.
(Also what the fuck is this conversation? You can always shut down conversations with anyone, death threats or not. Always. Consent matters in every damn interaction including conversations and the first clue to whether someone will respect consent in intimate situations is whether they respect consent in every day situations. Anyone who thinks you HAVE to talk to them doesn’t respect your personal boundaries and should be avoided. Halem and transdad clearly do not respect such boundaries and that makes them creepy as fuck.)
“it makes talking about this topic feel normal and shamefree long before society has had a chance to teach teens that sex is shameful. This increases the chance that they will grow up with a shamefree relationship to their bodies, desires and boundaries.”
Yes. This.
You don’t have to teach children “how to have sex” or that they “should” be having sex. Grooming children for abuse would be the OPPOSITE of the goal of comprehensive sex ed. Good, balanced, comprehensive sex education covers emotional health and well-being too, and if you mislead or coerce children to make them more vulnerable then you are NOT providing real sex education any more than you would be if you taught them that puberty is caused by demonic possession and menstruation is a sin.
Children have a right to know the parts of their body by name, and to be taught how their body works and where it comes from. This isn’t “pedophilic” or traumatic for them to learn. Which reminds me:
if it’s happening at a young age it’s usually due to abuse and you don’t need to fuck up an entire class of fucking 9 year olds. that particular 9 year old should be talked to separately because abuse is a sensitive subject.
This is alarmingly off-base. First of all, as others have covered, early puberty is not caused by abuse. Second of all, how the fuck would it “fuck up” the other students to learn the facts about their developing bodies? Seriously, how?? Unless you teach them that puberty is dirty and shameful and make them feel scared and guilty about going through it, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why you would “fuck up an entire class of fucking 9 year olds” by telling them about puberty.
And third: “that particular 9 year old should be talked to separately”. Are we still talking about periods? Because those have nothing to do with abuse. Do you mean puberty generally? Again, totally separate topic to abuse. Or are you now talking about abuse and saying that a 9 year old who has been abused should be talked to separately about abuse…? Because yeah, this is not sounding good in any way. How is a teacher supposed to know which of their students is developing early, or which of their students has been abused? (If they can tell who’s been abused, then why aren’t they reporting it instead of giving abused children private one-on-one sex ed lessons in secret so as not to “fuck up” their peers?) Unless they either ask the class at large personal questions about their pubescent development (which seems like EXACTLY the kind of wildly inappropriate thing you’re protesting) or, even worse, privately interview each child about their sexual development to keep tabs on who menstruated early… yeah, this entire suggestion is just falling to pieces. It’s not just ridiculous, it’s DANGEROUS to promote that kind of thinking.
sex ed isn’t the same as teaching kids stranger danger and bad touch areas fatfae is arguing to teach literal children about sex and detailed abuse.
Uh, no, not in the sense that “sex ed” and “stranger danger/bad touch” are like… interchangeable terms or something, but neither are “sex ed” and “how tampons work” and yet “how tampons work” is still part of sex ed.
arguing to teach literal children about sex and detailed abuse.
The phrase “literal children” is not a useful one here. It’s just there to evoke knee-jerk moral panic. According to a lot of people on this website, a “literal child” could be a seventeen-year-old who has finished school, has a full-time job and their own apartment, and maybe even has a child of their own. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you mean prepubescent, elementary-school-aged Literal Children, there is still nothing wrong with teaching them about sex. In case you were unaware, “teaching them about sex” doesn’t mean showing them pornography or instructing them in fellatio; it’s a simple and age-appropriate lesson about bodies and how they work. What exactly is wrong with that?
and detailed abuse.
Lastly, I may be missing something, but what’s up with this “detailed abuse” thing? When and where did anyone actually advocate “teaching detailed abuse”? Because that wording makes it sound like you’re making kids read graphic accounts of molestation or something. You know that consent education doesn’t mean going through a laundry list of every existing form of sexual assault, right?
Great break down of word manipulation!
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