stop fucking calling all lesbians dykes (ex. “an older dyke”, “many of the awesome dykes”), especially if you’re not a lesbian. “lesbian” is a label that exists and it’s rude and disrespectful to use a slur to refer to a broad group of people who you don’t personally know. that should honestly be obvious.

lines-and-edges:

gaytog:

lines-and-edges:

queeranarchism:

solitarelee:

sarahsyna:

iron-sunrise:

queeranarchism:

mautlyn:

comcastkills:

queeranarchism:

When I say ‘dykes’, I mean ‘dykes’. As in: people who identify as dykes. 

In the post you’re refering to I made it quite clear that I was writing about dykes I  know and when I speak of these dykes I won’t erase or sanitize their identities by using a mainstream, tame, deradicalized word that denies the words they specifically chose for themselves to emphasize their identities and their struggles as queer marganilized working class proudly-perverted revolutionary DYKES. 

Keep your fucking respectability politics to yourself. 

Hmmm. Interesting post!

Anyway, I’ve seen some of my followers reblog from this freak, and I think it’s worth stating that you should probably unfollow me if you agree with them.

did he really just say “proudly-perverted” 

Yeah, that makes no sense at all.

(to any people unfollowing me: please block me at the same time so I never have to deal with you again. bye and good riddance)

When did @comcastkills decide to become hot garbage to THIS degree like, damn. 

I forget the age range on this site runs only a little past the teens most of the time because nothing said here is in any way outside of LGBTQ history. 

But, you know, thats reactionary bullshit for you. Are discoursers all younger than 21 or something? Would that explain this nonsense?

The first person who welcomes me into the community as a sort of mentor proudly ID’d as a Dyke would insist that be used over lesbian or homosexual.

Comcastkills showing the same regard for people as the average school bully, I see.

It’s wild and depressing and wildly depressing for me to see this kind of stuff, because when I was a kid, any of us babygays would have literally killed to have an older queer mentor of any kind. Shockingly, there were few around, because, you know, AIDS. But now, the next generation, finally having what we lost, an older generation to teach them about their cultural history n shit… Just. Actively hates and in some cases even tries to kill them (I’ve seen kids on this hellsite try to cost grown-ass adults, sometimes parents, their jobs, kids, and lives). 

Like, I feel so old to be like “back in my day” or “when I was your age” but seriously. I always thought the younger generations would be better off for having what we lost. Instead: this. 

And we gotta call it by its name:

It’s not a generation gap. It’s not just ignorance (though that plays a part). It’s not just TERF manipulation against the word queer (though that plays a part).

We’re seeing a young generation of LGBT conservatism: kids who want their civil rights but who don’t want all the mess and scandalousness of actual liberation. Kids who want to hold on to what has been won for white middle class binary identified LG kids and don’t want to thing about what’s happening on the margins on the LGBT movement. Kids who want glamorous LGBT celebrities on tv, not homeless LGBT youth in their spaces. We have kids into gay nationalism. We have lesbians longing for the time when we didn’t include bisexuals and trans women in our communities. We have LGBT youth voting for Tories.

These kids aren’t shitting on their queer elders out of just ignorance, they actively reject our struggle against all oppression.

I’ve been thinking about this lately too.

The thing I created this blog to oppose is, ultimately, a right-wing reactionary movement, and if you scratch even a little bit at the veneer of leftism, you find bootstrap logic, xenophobia, militarism, anti-intellectualism, the veneration of retributive justice, disrespect for bodily autonomy, and other characteristics of right-wing politics underneath.

Let’s start calling it what it is.

The problems being pointed out in this thread are real, but I find the framing super uncharitable. Putting words in people’s mouths, telling them that they don’t actually want [thing that they claim to want] and instead want the exact opposite, doesn’t strike me as a good way to change their minds.

I hope this doesn’t come off as too pedantic or nitpicky. Like I said, the problems are real. I just think there’s a big difference between saying “You’re being hypocritical; you claim to be radical, but in practice policing people’s language tends to exclude poor LGBT folks” and “You’re an actual freaking conservative.” I think people are much more receptive to the former.

Of course, some people won’t change their minds no matter what you say. And some people are just opportunistic bullies. But the bullies are a pretty small percentage, I think; most people act like this because they genuinely believe it’s the morally correct thing to do, and so if you want them to stop

it’s important to appeal to their sense of morality.

I see your point (and I think some of these words are for me and some for OP, so I apologize if I’m addressing the wrong parts; I’m going to expand on my position at length here but I don’t speak for everyone in this thread.)

What I’m trying to do here is characterize and criticize a group ideology that takes root, specifically, in spaces dominated by the bullies you’re talking about.

The well-meaning people aren’t the ones I’m attacking here; when I see those I do try to hold far gentler conversations with them. It’s one of my goals to help offer these people a way out of the abuse and manipulation.

But one of the hallmarks of the culture I’m talking about is that when you write a careful, compassionate note to one of the people who is fully on board with it, one of the bullies, along the lines of “hey, this thing you’re doing seems to be punching down and I’d appreciate if you listened to the marginalized people you’re harming”, they usually publicly roast you without addressing the criticism, and often in a way that invokes systemic prejudice.

If they find they’re getting pushback from followers for using too many dogwhistles about autism, disability, trans status, etc, they simply take their ad hominem attacks into the realm of falsehood, often in a way that’s calculated to victimize the person they’re talking to: calling a leftist Jew a Nazi, calling a CSA survivor a pedophile.

Or they retreat into name-dropping Lenin and Stalin (and still don’t address the criticism.)

These people are choosing authoritarian politics with a veneer of economic leftism, then talking and conducting their behavior with cruelty; and the mixed messages drag innocent people into it, especially younger people.

(It goes: This blogger performs hate for capitalism, they must be one of us, right? The way my abusive religious parents talk is sort of vaguely comforting coming from someone who doesn’t hate me for being gay… Wow, look at what they do to their enemies… that makes me feel kind of bad to watch, but I really don’t want them to mark me as an enemy, and they’re making it clear that if I act a certain way, I’ll stay on their good side…)

So yeah, I have no problem with calling that set and the things they’re involved with a right-wing reactionary movement; because it is, and because if enough of us do, it might help their recruits to make a reality check.

Yeah, also when I say ‘LGBT-conservatism’ or ‘homonationalism’, I mean that literally and I think there is a lot of value in calling that by its name.

Let’s be honest: we live in times of unprecedented LGBT conservatism. Almost every major LGBT organisation seeks integration into the structures of the state as its goals and distances itself from queer movements that pursue a wider platform of liberation as well as any too explicit celebration of sexuality.

At the same time conservative, neo-liberal and far-right movements,
especially in Europe, are increasingly using LGBT rights  in order to
justify xenophobic positions, especially against Islam. And LGBT organisations are becoming more and more willing to work with these movements.

Young people aren’t exposed much to a truly queer politics of liberation and they do see very much of the ‘succes stories’ of the big LGBT movements and so it comes as no surprise that may accept that it must be the perfy rebelious queers on the margins that are the problem. 

This isn’t a ‘young lgbt conservatives vs. older queers’ thing. LGBT conservatism is everywhere and across all age groups, yet there is such a strong association between ‘supports LGBT rights’ and
‘liberal-progressive’ that a lot of people do not look in the mirror and recognize the conservative staring back at them.

Calling that by its name is important.